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wire dipole vs vertical for 40m — is the vertical really worth the hassle

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so ive been running a simple 40m dipole at about 30 feet for a couple years now and it works fine, gets me contacts, no real complaints. but i keep reading about how verticals have this low angle radiation that's supposedly better for dx and im starting to wonder if im missing out.

the thing is i live on a small lot and putting up a proper ground radial system seems like a huge pain. ive seen guys say you need like 16 minimum to make a vertical actually work right and some say 32 or even 64 for best performance. my yard isnt even big enough to do that without the radials running under the fence into the neighbor's yard which seems like a weird conversation to have.

so my question is basically — is a well-installed vertical with a decent radial field actually going to outperform my dipole for working europe from the midwest, or is the difference kind of overstated online. the dipole is broadside roughly northeast-southwest so it does favor that path at least somewhat. just wondering if anyones actually done a real comparison or if this is one of those endless debates that never gets settled

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  • James Williams
    James Williams

    honestly this is one of those things where the answer is genuinely frustrating — it depends. a vertical with a bad radial system will likely lose to your dipole every time, no contest. ive seen guys p

  • Amanda Johnson64
    Amanda Johnson64

    the radial thing is way overstated imo, or at least people make it sound more complicated than it is. i just buried a bunch of wire in my yard over a couple weekends using one of those lawn edger tool

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honestly this is one of those things where the answer is genuinely frustrating — it depends. a vertical with a bad radial system will likely lose to your dipole every time, no contest. ive seen guys put up a vertical with 4 radials and then wonder why its noisey and lossy, and yeah its gonna be worse than almost anything else.

that said if you can manage even 16 quarter wave radials on 40m youre talking a meaningful improvement at low angles. i did a comparison a few years back with an A/B switch between my inverted-V and a homebrew vertical with about 20 radials and the vertical was noticeably better into europe during the evening greyline window. like signals that were 57 on the dipole were 59 on the vertical, not every time but consistently enough that it wasnt placebo. but my lot is bigger than yours sounds so the radial thing was more doable for me.

if your yard is really that small you might look at a raised vertical with just 4 elevated radials — thats a totally different animal than a ground mounted one and you dont need nearly as many. some guys swear by that approach for small lots.

the radial thing is way overstated imo, or at least people make it sound more complicated than it is. i just buried a bunch of wire in my yard over a couple weekends using one of those lawn edger tools to cut a slot and pushed the wire in. not glamorous but it works and you dont even see it after a few weeks.

anyway i dont think 30 feet is that low for a dipole on 40 so youre probably not suffering as much as you think. half wavelength at 40m is like 66 feet so youre not even at a half wavelength height. at that height the dipole still has pretty decent low angle stuff, maybe not as low as a vertical with a good ground but its not like youre only shooting straight up either

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