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when do you actually use phonetics vs just saying the letter

ok so i just got my technician a few months ago and ive been on 2m mostly doing local repeater stuff. my question is about phonetics, like when do you actually use them vs just saying the letter normally. i hear some guys on the repeater just say their callsign normally like they would say a word, and then some guys go full NATO phonetic for every single letter every single time. is there like a rule about this or is it just whatever feels right

also i noticed some older guys use different words sometimes, not the standard NATO ones. one guy said "baker" instead of "bravo" the other day and i wasnt sure if i heard him wrong or if thats a real thing. just trying to figure out the etiquette i guess

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yeah the "baker" thing is the old Joint Army/Navy phonetic alphabet, it was what people used before NATO standardized everything in the 50s. you still hear it from guys who learned back then, baker, able, charlie, dog... some of them never switched over and honestly at this point nobody's gonna tell them to. it works fine, the whole point is just that the other person understands you.

for when to use them -- on a clear local repeater with people you know, honestly most folks dont bother spelling out every letter phonetically. but if theres any noise, if youre making a contact with someone you havent worked before, or especially on HF where conditions can get rough, full phonetics for your callsign is just good practice. contesting is a whole other thing, people get pretty fast and sloppy with them but thats just the nature of it. id say just default to NATO phonetics when theres any doubt whether youre being copied clearly, and dont stress about it otherwise

honestly i spent way too long second guessing this exact same thing when i started. what helped me was just remembering the phonetics exist because letters sound similar -- B and D and E and G and P and T and V can all blur together especially with any static. so if you're just chatting on a quiet local repeater and saying your call normally works fine then go for it. but the second you think someone might not have caught a letter, phonetics. i mess up sometimes and say things like "november november... wait no, that's two N's" lol but whatever, you get the hang of it

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